1998 Donruss Crusades..... Question

gitarst182 · Sep 7, 2014

I've been on the hunt for the red chipper jones for years now. When one does come up the price is usually ridiculous.

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MansGame · Sep 7, 2014

I have the rainbow for Belle and also the rainbow of the proofs. Consider these two rainbows to be a highlight of my entire collection.

I got the Red last year when I purchased a Belle collection off a fellow collector who had a Belle collection which rivaled mine and was giving it up... If you can believe that.

Anyways, here they are. So much nicer in hand.

mrdallas · Sep 7, 2014

MansGame said:
I have the rainbow for Belle and also the rainbow of the proofs. Consider these two rainbows to be a highlight of my entire collection.

I got the Red last year when I purchased a Belle collection off a fellow collector who had a Belle collection which rivaled mine and was giving it up... If you can believe that.

Anyways, here they are. So much nicer in hand.

Very Nice

Joey_peapod · Sep 7, 2014

scanner def does not due it justice

tunahead · Sep 8, 2014

Calripkenjrcollector said:
I have ZERO Ripken but somehow ended up with these.....

I forgot how much I paid for the pair.....

I've got the purple and green Ripken, will probably never be able to own a red with how prices have skyrocketed. I think the purples look the best though.

gracecollector · Sep 8, 2014

Most of the factors for value have already been mentioned: scarcity, production value, extensive player checklist. Their complex manner of cross-brand distribution adds to the mix. But even more so, is that they have a sense of mystery and a good back story to them, and collectors eat that sh@t up. First, there are the mysterious "second series Crusades" that were never made due to the Donruss Bankruptcy, but that prototypes leaked out. These non-serial numbered cards with card numbers #131 and above are "bigfoots" - cards that are all but rumors - until you actually see them. Each card in the first #130 would have had an opposite card in the 2nd series: regular card would have a Call to Arms, Call to Arms a regular. Then there are the "executive proofs" that were serial-numbered but *** on the first number. How those came to be and the quantities of each are still debated. Over time, the mysteries of the issue add to its hobby lore, and combined with the other factors, have created the perfect storm to drive up prices.

Here are some of the bigfoots from the mysterious 2nd series:

Complete Grace rainbows: 1st and 2nd Series

nosterbor · Sep 8, 2014

A person is on the Juangone site trying to sell a Red BGS 9.5 for $2000. That was 2 weeks ago. Not for me. Or any other Juan collector. He still has it. I will take 100 serial numbered to 100 cards for that.

mrdallas · Sep 8, 2014

Holy &*^% are all those "big foots" real? And you have them. If so that is some crazy good stuff right there.

gracecollector said:
Most of the factors for value have already been mentioned: scarcity, production value, extensive player checklist. Their complex manner of cross-brand distribution adds to the mix. But even more so, is that they have a sense of mystery and a good back story to them, and collectors eat that sh@t up. First, there are the mysterious "second series Crusades" that were never made due to the Donruss Bankruptcy, but that prototypes leaked out. These non-serial numbered cards with card numbers #131 and above are "bigfoots" - cards that are all but rumors - until you actually see them. Each card in the first #130 would have had an opposite card in the 2nd series: regular card would have a Call to Arms, Call to Arms a regular. Then there are the "executive proofs" that were serial-numbered but *** on the first number. How those came to be and the quantities of each are still debated. Over time, the mysteries of the issue add to its hobby lore, and combined with the other factors, have created the perfect storm to drive up prices.

Here are some of the bigfoots from the mysterious 2nd series:

Complete Grace rainbows: 1st and 2nd Series

gracecollector · Sep 8, 2014

mrdallas said:
Holy &*^% are all those "big foots" real? And you have them. If so that is some crazy good stuff right there.

I don't have them all, just the Graces. Just scans I have saved over the years. All are real and numbered above #130 .

caster513 · Sep 8, 2014

^ Wait.....so there is a Lofton Call To Arms? Never seen one, but glad to know it may be out there!

mrdallas · Sep 8, 2014

gracecollector said:
I don't have them all, just the Graces. Just scans I have saved over the years. All are real and numbered above #130 .

Well your Grace set there is AMAZING. Very nice

corockies · Sep 8, 2014

mrdallas said:
Well your Grace set there is AMAZING. Very nice

His entire Grace collection is amazing. By far the best player collection I've seen. I highly recommend checking out his web site, you won't be disappointed!

bigunitcards · Sep 11, 2014

When I lost the green /250 for ~$25 I was thinking
$60-$80 for this one. I was wrong!

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gradedeflator · Sep 11, 2014

The prototype aka mysterious second series Crusade cards are nice! I think I heard that every player who had an original Crusade card had a "second series" card as well, the exception being Rickey Henderson who does not have a regular Crusade card but has a second series one (just green, I believe). I've heard from a few collectors closer to the situation that it is commonly believed that 2 green, 1 purple and 1 red exist for each second series player.

With regard to the executive proofs, I think the only ones most of us have seen were the infamous ones that popped up on COMC a couple years back. I had heard that most of the superstars were not in that set and having tried to muddle through COMC's sold feature I confirmed that I couldn't find any big stars who had executive proofs that sold via COMC. So I am inclined to believe that these proofs may not have been made of all players.

I think [MENTION=5616]ch2423[/MENTION] has also shown another variant on the Crusade - the red/purple/green with the original photos as the packed out Crusades but no serial number at all on the back

gracecollector said:
Most of the factors for value have already been mentioned: scarcity, production value, extensive player checklist. Their complex manner of cross-brand distribution adds to the mix. But even more so, is that they have a sense of mystery and a good back story to them, and collectors eat that sh@t up. First, there are the mysterious "second series Crusades" that were never made due to the Donruss Bankruptcy, but that prototypes leaked out. These non-serial numbered cards with card numbers #131 and above are "bigfoots" - cards that are all but rumors - until you actually see them. Each card in the first #130 would have had an opposite card in the 2nd series: regular card would have a Call to Arms, Call to Arms a regular. Then there are the "executive proofs" that were serial-numbered but *** on the first number. How those came to be and the quantities of each are still debated. Over time, the mysteries of the issue add to its hobby lore, and combined with the other factors, have created the perfect storm to drive up prices.

guyjones10 · Sep 11, 2014

These are definitely some of my holy grails.

Hendersonfan · Sep 11, 2014

I thought I had a picture of the Rickey but I can't find it if I do. Pretty sure this is the photo used.

Courtesy of COMC.com

gradedeflator · Sep 11, 2014

^yep, that's the photo on the Rickey Green Crusade prototype

gradedeflator · Sep 11, 2014

Executive proofs:

MartinezPedro_1998DonrussCrusadesamplesrainbow_back.jpg

Series 2 prototypes - Piazza is #178 , all cards lack serial numbers

PiazzaMike_1998DonrussCrusadeRed178CTAprototype_merged_zps5ab1f6d2.jpg

PiazzaMike_1998DonrussCrusadePurple178CTAprototype_merged_zps377241da.jpg

PiazzaMike_1998DonrussCrusadeGreen178CTAprototype_merged_zpsdd40f570.jpg

MansGame · Sep 11, 2014

I'm all sorts of confused. So Belle has a second series?

RStadlerASU22 · Sep 11, 2014

MansGame said:
I'm all sorts of confused. So Belle has a second series?

Look at post 46

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