Anthony K.
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techboy42004 said:Anthony K. said:Halonut said:as i said before, there are plenty of player's who could/should get in imho but i feel they will have a hard time doing so due to the era in which they played. of the guys you mentioned, here is my reasoning for them not being listed with the shoe ins...
Piazza-great hitter in his prime but ultimately a 1 sided player. if he played 20 years earlier, he'd be a first ballot guy.
Biggio-hard nosed guy, excelled in most all facets of the game and at 3 different positions. he was built like a brick ****house and being as close as he was to Bags may hurt him in the eyes of voters.
Helton-2 words...Coors Field. He was one of the best hitters in the NL for 5-6 years but the Coors Field bias is really hard to overcome. as was stated before, he couldn't even place higher than 5th in the MVP voting when putting up one of the best seasons in recent history.
Thome-i really like the guy, a true slugger in every sense of the word. if his name stays squeaky clean, he should get in. honest omission on my behalf.
Hoffman-closers have a really, really hard time getting in. i think he will be viewed as a compiler in the eyes of the voters. that is not to say that he won't eventually get in but he is by no means a shoe in.
By making those two comments, you are saying that 3,000 hits and 500 (possibly 600) home runs are no longer Hall of Fame benchmarks.
Do you agree with that? I do believe they would be the only players at their prospective level of achievements (hits/hrs) not to be in the Hall if they didn't make it.
Biggio is a first-ballot HOFer
Believe me, I completely agree with you. Over his entire career, the only 2nd baseman in his realm was Robbie Alomar.
I also believe Bagwell is a 1st/2nd ballot guy, Thome the same and Hoffman will get in early too (much like Mo Rivera will).
I do see people balking on Helton, just because of the Coors Field effect though.
As for Piazza, well, I was a huge fan of his for his entire career, so I am completely biased (but statistically backed) when I say he is a 1st/2nd ballot guy. He was one of the best offensive players up until he went to the AL and one of the greatest offensive catchers of all time.
EDIT:Long night of work, so i didn't put the "bagwell did steroids so biggio did them too" rumor together, my bad.